Don't Sit in the Dip with Ramya Amuthan
Ramya Amuthan:
I go to sit down, because they tell me, "Come take a seat." And everybody screams except me, all three. They're like, "Ah!" And I was like, "What?"
Jennie Bovard:
Well, hello and welcome. This is Low Vision Moments, the podcast all about those sometimes frustrating, potentially embarrassing, but often pretty comical things that happen when you are just going about your day with a visual impairment, blindness, or albinism. I'm Jennie Bovard, I'm your host, and I just got a haircut, so I'm taking hair out of my mouth, 'cause I don't know how to style it yet. And this is episode number 34, and I want to thank you for coming along for today's adventure.
So speaking of adventure, guys, just a hot tip before we get anywhere or do anything this episode. If you're blind or visually impaired, and you're looking for what I would maybe call mid-level danger, a little adrenaline rush, a little hit to the adrenaline, try a Korean restaurant where you grill the food in the middle of the actual table. Trust me, I've tried it. It's doable, but it's exhilarating. And particularly if you have no depth perception or detailed vision, it's a good time. Try it out. Also, you might learn that you really love kimchi and warm sake, but maybe that's just me.
So are you wondering what's on the menu for this episode? I know you are. And this time, we have a special treat, um-nam-nam, today's guest, rather, is a fellow member of our AMI family. She co-hosts and produces a daily live show on arts and entertainment and lifestyle, and just so much insightful conversation on that show. The show is Kelly and Ramya. And this might be creepy, but I love saying your name, Ramya Amuthan. Ramya Amuthan, welcome to the pod.
Ramya Amuthan:
Thanks Jennie. Oh, it's so fun to be here already, just because of the Korean food thing.
Jennie Bovard:
Have you done it?
Ramya Amuthan:
You're telling me ... Yes, but only with sighted friends. You're way adventurous. You're telling me you put your hand in the middle with the grill and the fire and the heat?
Jennie Bovard:
Oh, yes. There were a lot of questions like, "Am I poking the right meat?" Am I-
Ramya Amuthan:
How do you know it's done?
Jennie Bovard:
Well, that was the-
Ramya Amuthan:
That's the adventurous part.
Jennie Bovard:
That was a lot of the question and answer period. But let's not get too off-topic. I could talk about that Korean place and kimchi for a while, but let's not do that. Let's talk about you for a second. You're also a super-talented voice actor, and you're also the host of the podcast, AMI Audiobook Review. So I'd love if you could tell us a little bit about yourself and maybe some of the other stellar work that you do.
Ramya Amuthan:
Oh, thank you. Yes. So AMI Audiobook Review, weekly pod, we started season three in September. So we're very excited about all the fun changes, because now we've upgraded, I say, from a half-hour to an hour pod and on AMI Audio. Lots of audiobook talk. Lots of book talk in general. Jennie, you will make an appearance sometime before the end of the year, so heads up, yay.
And Kelly and Ramya, a daily show, 2:00 to 4:00 PM Eastern Time on AMI Audio, AMI TV. That's the plug. But really, it's just a fun time, variety of subjects, variety of guests, and we get through everything and anything. I personally am trying to implement more fun on the show. So if you want to hear more quizzes, more games, write to us, because that's the only way to get Kelly McDonald buckling under and saying yes to those things. Please.
Jennie Bovard:
What? He seems like he's fun, but maybe I'm mistaken.
Ramya Amuthan:
It's ironic. It's ironic.
Jennie Bovard:
Oh yeah. I don't know. You're definitely the fun one, but don't tell him I said that.
Ramya Amuthan:
Things have changed in the last six years. I'm now the fun one.
Jennie Bovard:
Interesting. The tables have turned. Well, go and check out all of Ramya's content. You will not be disappointed. But let's get into some of this delicious food talk. It's one of my favourite things. And I'll admit though, my weekly mealtime dinnertime routine is not very exciting. We'll have dinner, my husband and I, and then we'll have to, without a doubt, play with our dog for about 10 minutes after eating dinner. It's a bit of a temper tantrum from him if we don't. And that's probably something that I did along the way, my fault. But we'll have our dinner, we'll play with the dog. We'll get tidied up, clean up the kitchen and wash the dishes, and then we'll settle in and watch a TV show.
So on one night in particular, really recently we had a pasta night. I love a pasta night. At least once a week we eat pasta with a nice tomato sauce or a pesto sauce, whatever. You can put anything on pasta pretty much, and I'll eat it. So on this particular night, we had tomato sauce. Fine. I'm not a super messy eater. If someone is going to let me know that I have stains on my clothes, I do appreciate that, by the way. Don't hesitate. It's not going to upset me. I would rather know. So we've had our tomato pasta sauce. Our pasta. We had done the dishes, played with the dog, and we had settled in to watch a little TV. Don't know which show was on the docket that night. It was probably something like Futurama, which has a new season out, or it might've been catching up on Homeland. I don't remember. But we had watched our show and after our little show, it is time for Rory, our dog, to go and have his final business meeting of the day, if you catch my drift.
So I go approach the back door to let him out. And by the back door, we have a series of hooks with all of my dog's stuff. He's got his leashes and his little backpack that I bring with him to daycare. He's got his doggy raincoat. Yeah, we're these kind of people. So this wall with the hooks is a really light beige. So I am over there getting his collar to let him outside, and it looks like there might be something in my glasses, or when I go from a darker space to a brighter space, sometimes I get a little spottiness, a little spot floating around in my vision. Nothing to worry about. It's just my eyes adjusting to the light. So I blink a couple times and I'm like, "Hmm, I think there's something in my glasses."
And as this happens, my husband is coming into the kitchen, which is just adjacent to where I am, and I say, "Hey, I think there might be something in my glasses." And he looks at me and I look at him, and he just loses it. And he's like, "Jen, you have a giant splotch." Splotch? Is that a word?
Ramya Amuthan:
Yeah, I think so.
Jennie Bovard:
You have a giant splotch, a giant spot of spaghetti sauce, of tomato sauce right in the middle of your glasses.
Ramya Amuthan:
Oh my god.
Jennie Bovard:
How did you not notice this was here?
Ramya Amuthan:
The whole time.
Jennie Bovard:
Hours, Ramya, I had cleaned. I had watched television-
Ramya Amuthan:
Oh.
Jennie Bovard:
... and played with the dog and not even noticed. Right in the center of my vision, right in the middle of my glasses. It was like, "Tell me you have low vision without telling me you have low vision." Well, I walked around with spaghetti sauce in my glasses for hours.
Ramya Amuthan:
For hours.
Jennie Bovard:
So there you go.
Ramya Amuthan:
If it was right on a blind spot, understandable.
Jennie Bovard:
No.
Ramya Amuthan:
No?
Jennie Bovard:
No. Right in the center. Right in the center.
Ramya Amuthan:
In the center.
Jennie Bovard:
Hours. And I accomplished a lot during that time. But yeah, they can hide in the most obvious of places.
Ramya Amuthan:
Just go [inaudible 00:07:45].
Jennie Bovard:
Spaghetti sauce, tomato sauce. Yeah.
Ramya Amuthan:
Avoiding spaghetti sauce.
Jennie Bovard:
I don't know.
Ramya Amuthan:
I have food stories, and I think it's because I'm just around food all the time. So bound to happen where something collides with my disability and food. So you've heard this before, Jennie, where people like myself have gone years and years denying disability, or just being like, "I don't want to talk about it." Let's not bring it up, unless it's visible or I accidentally do something crazy and we need to bring it up.
So there was one time in high school where a couple of my girlfriends and I, we always made it a point to celebrate birthdays together. And sometimes you go out, sometimes you stay in. Now, when it came to my birthday, I was very anti-diva about it, to the point of annoyance. Like, "I don't know, I don't have any suggestions. No, let's just not do anything." And so they were like, "Okay, let's just go to Christina's house."
So we go to Christina's house and the four of us that night are hanging out. And there are these moments where I know that they've got something planned because two of them are going into the kitchen. They're giggling, they're talking to me, but also not talking to me. And I'm thinking, "Of course, of course there's a surprise. I wonder what it could be." Probably the basics. Pop a bottle. No, sorry, we don't drink. It's high school. Half cake-
Jennie Bovard:
Oh.
Ramya Amuthan:
Whoop. Have dinner, whatever, games-
Jennie Bovard:
Freudian slip much.
Ramya Amuthan:
Oops. And so there's a moment where they tell me, "Okay, it's time to sit down." And this is one of these not a full apartment. You kind of got a kitchenette. Imagine it's imagine a bachelor, right? But it's not really, you're just sharing the rest of the space. So all you really got is the living room/bedroom attached to a kitchenette, and the only real places to sit are the bed.
So I go and I sit down, and I can imagine it back in slow motion now. But what happened was I go to sit down, 'cause they tell me, "Come take a seat." And everybody screams except me, all three. They're like, "Ah!" And I was like, "What?" But by that time, I had too much momentum, obviously the point was don't sit down. But I had too much momentum, I was already leaning back. I had my hand out, ready to brace myself.
Jennie Bovard:
It was happening.
Ramya Amuthan:
It was happening. What I had done was put my hand completely in the cake, like absolute full hand-print cake situation. They had made me a cake sometime between now and yesterday and had decorated it. It was gorgeous. It was my 16th and I had completely hand-printed the heck out of it. You couldn't even tell what it was supposed to be. They had to describe what it was beforehand, because it was not at all reflective of what I was looking at now. And I picked my hand out of the cake and I thought, "Oh, I guess I'll just eat it off my hand."
Jennie Bovard:
Yeah, girl. Yes.
Ramya Amuthan:
It was really, really-
Jennie Bovard:
You might as well follow through with that one, Ramya.
Ramya Amuthan:
Oh, unbelievable. But I've had so many moments like this, where if I've sat on food, I've put my arm into food. I don't know why people want to leave food in places that aren't the table though. This is my quarrel.
Jennie Bovard:
This is a good point. I need to know. How did your friends react though before we move on?
Ramya Amuthan:
My friends were giggly. They were very nice about it. They were giggly about it. And the thing is, at that time, like I said, you never knew what I could see and couldn't see. So maybe they thought, "Of course I would know there's something on the bed." Maybe I wouldn't know that it was cake, but I would know that there's something to avoid it, because my vision is so right in between. You'd always have to question, right? Like, "Can you actually see that or can't you?" And so I didn't see the cake. It was too dark and I went straight for the spot I usually sit on the bed. So why would they leave the cake there? Anyways, as for their reactions, they were very sweet about it. Then we followed up with, "Well, did you not know there was a cake?" Of course, I didn't know there was a cake. Why would I put my hand right in the middle?
Jennie Bovard:
'Cause I often sit on my cakes. That's generally the tradition.
Ramya Amuthan:
Guys. I'm drunk over [inaudible 00:11:59]-
Jennie Bovard:
No, you're not drinking. You're 16.
Ramya Amuthan:
No, I'm not drinking. Sorry.
Jennie Bovard:
No. Well, I'm glad that they were kind and that they had a laugh with you, but you made a really good point about leaving food in places where you wouldn't normally leave food. Who leaves a cake on a bed? But it did sound like you were a little starved for space?
Ramya Amuthan:
Yeah, there was technically no table.
Jennie Bovard:
Right? Wait, were there candles?
Ramya Amuthan:
That would've actually been helpful? The light of the candles, I might have seen that.
Jennie Bovard:
That makes me think of a time when a couple of years ago, we had our end of season Blind Sports Nova Scotia party. And so there were a lot of us, a lot of people who were blind in the vicinity at this lovely house. And it was this big living room and there was a bunch of food on a big ottoman, a big footstool in the middle of the room, which is debatable as to whether it should be used as a table or for your feet, right? But it just makes me think of, okay, number one, at that party when I got there, there was still cellophane, plastic wrap on a lot of the stuff. So I legit tried to dip a chip when the cellophane was still on there.
Ramya Amuthan:
Through the saran? Yeah.
Jennie Bovard:
Yeah. Nobody was really there. No one really knew it. And I was just like, "Oh, shit. Okay. There's still stuff on there." But an hour later, didn't someone do almost what you did, but they sat in this, the same bowl of dip.
Ramya Amuthan:
Stop.
Jennie Bovard:
But-
Ramya Amuthan:
Excited.
Jennie Bovard:
No, no, no. There were a bunch of us who were blind, and so nobody even knew to be like, "Hey, don't sit there." You know what I mean? We're not seeing well enough or reacting quick enough to be-
Ramya Amuthan:
Would you tape up that area? Because it's short enough, right? An ottoman I'm thinking is knee height, knee to thigh hight.
Jennie Bovard:
Well, yeah, just squeezing in to join the conversation of the people in the area and just sit. Don't sit-
Ramya Amuthan:
Somebody [inaudible 00:14:07].
Jennie Bovard:
... in the dip divan. So that's where don't sit in the dip comes from. And that's a little inside joke amongst the blind sports folks.
Ramya Amuthan:
Nice.
Jennie Bovard:
But, man, so wow, I'm kind of disappointed about the cake. You obviously didn't get to enjoy it to its full potential.
Ramya Amuthan:
No, at least not the aesthetics, but that's okay. I've sat completely in food as well. I've completely sat in a meal before when I was in Sri Lanka. And there the faking of blindness was surreal. I don't know what about it. When I think back at these things, I'm like, "Why wouldn't people just talk about Ramya needs help?" But it was really interesting. We had some kind of a formal-ish family gathering where everybody was very, "No, you go first. No, you eat. No, you." And the food was Sri Lankan food. So it was crab, curry, very seafood. Crab, curry, rice, dough. Things that you would put in a plate, but there was just a lot of everything or a little of everything.
And somebody, I guess, had put their food down, 'cause they wanted to go grab something that they forgot. I was scouting out the entire time a seat for me, right? And I had this spot picked out. I was like, "Okay. I know I've explored, this is where I'm going to sit when I go to get my food later and come back. This is my spot." It's perfectly in lighting that I can see the food. I can see the chair, I could see who's sitting across from me, and I had scouted this food out.
But little did I realize that somebody had left their food there, because they went to go to the kitchen. So I went all confident by the way, 'cause I had already scouted the spot out, and went to go sit on this seat, and my ass was in their food. It was absolute crab curry on my bum from somebody's plate. How do you recover from that? My aunt came over and she was like, "Okay, let's just walk away slowly."
Jennie Bovard:
Let's go get you some pants. You poor thing. It's not a good look, Ramya. Sitting in the food is one thing, but the aftermath was another.
Ramya Amuthan:
And wait, that plate of food literally looked like someone sat in it. It was half on me.
Jennie Bovard:
So you just exited the scene, you just left?
Ramya Amuthan:
Well, I think my aunt did her best to cover me up while we walked. But the whole time nobody was acknowledging my blindness. It was just still the elephant in the room. It was so-
Jennie Bovard:
Even after this point? You weren't like, "Sorry, my eyes-
Ramya Amuthan:
I'm sure people-
Jennie Bovard:
... don't fucking work." Sorry.
Ramya Amuthan:
No, it's like, "It could happen to anybody." That's so strange. Why would I sit in that food? Oh, silly.
Jennie Bovard:
Well, why would anyone put their food on a chair?
Ramya Amuthan:
Again, that is-
Jennie Bovard:
Again.
Ramya Amuthan:
... my question, again.
Jennie Bovard:
See, that's not a you problem. That's a them problem.
Ramya Amuthan:
No, it is.
Jennie Bovard:
But then it becomes-
Ramya Amuthan:
[inaudible 00:17:06] stories.
Jennie Bovard:
... your pants' problem. You poor thing. Stop sitting in food, Ramya.
This is our PSA. This is our public service announcement. Don't put food on places where people might potentially sit. Look, I say this all the time on the podcast, us blind and visually impaired people, we're walking amongst you, we are everywhere. And whether we're advertising that we're blind or visually impaired or not, we might be in the vicinity.
I feel for you, but it's your family and It's the fact that nobody was acknowledging, I think that adds to it.
Ramya Amuthan:
That's the part that's awkward as shit. It's so awkward to do these things. Amongst my friends, we laughed about it. We knew, right? But amongst family and strangers, and just the Tamil community over there, it was like, "Oh no. Is this the first time people are finding out I'm blind 'cause I sat in someone's crab curry and rice?" That's weird. 'Cause this whole time I was "faking it," and now they know.
Jennie Bovard:
I have to say I adore talking with you, obviously. We are having a good laugh, and you are also an acceptor of sweaty hugs. And that's a special thing to me. If someone engages or accepts a sweaty hug from me, post a full day of playing goalball, which we got to do last May when I was at Goalball Nationals, that was it for me. I was like, "This Ramya, she's the keeper." And thank you again also for referring Ben Akuoko, last episode's guest. It's all coming full circle now. And I brought that up, not only to say thank you for the sweaty hug, and I think that that makes you special. You're special in my books, because you do that. But that particular day was pretty eventful. I got to meet you in person, and I don't know if we had met in person?
Ramya Amuthan:
No, this is our first time, hence the sweaty hug.
Jennie Bovard:
That was the first time, right?
Ramya Amuthan:
Yeah.
Jennie Bovard:
And you're so small. You have such a big personality, and I was like, "Oh, you're shorter than me." And you made me feel tall. So thank you for that as well.
Ramya Amuthan:
Oh gosh, you're welcome. Anytime I can make somebody else feel tall.
Jennie Bovard:
Sorry, I didn't mean to call you short but-
Ramya Amuthan:
I'm kidding. I'm kidding.
Jennie Bovard:
So that was a really eventful day for me. When you play at Senior Goalball Nationals, we play, I was representing Nova Scotia. We brought home silver. Woohoo. But when you're playing in one of these tournaments, you're playing like two or three games a day. It can be a pretty high-intensity sport. Like I said, I was pretty sweaty by the end of the day. You're warming up. You're cooling down. You're resting on the floor and on hard benches like wooden benches throughout the day. So the end of the day comes and you're snacky and you're hungry.
And one of my teammates, bless her, she has really specific nutritional needs and things that she can and cannot eat. So I will admit, I was really not into the idea of trying to navigate and walk to the local Wally world, the local Walmart, so she could get stocked up on her food.
I was not sold on the idea originally. I don't know Ottawa. We were in Ottawa. I had been driven on a bus to the venue for competition. I had no idea where I was or my surroundings, no idea. But we had pretty decent directions from a local, someone who is competing on the Ontario team. Pretty decent directions how to get there. And the power of Google Maps, right? And also knowing that Walmart is just a giant blue box. So if I can find the giant blue box in the distance, I can make my way there. Lo and behold, we did make it. I got her there as the navigator, 'cause she is not a Google Maps person. So I got her. There was a sketchy, muddy dirt trail that was pretty sketchy-
Ramya Amuthan:
Oh god.
Jennie Bovard:
... but we made it. We got there. This was quite the trek, okay? Long day of goalball. We made it to the Walmart. We hunted for baskets, like a shopping basket. Could not find one. But you know what I did find? I kicked a produce box on the floor and I picked that baby up, and that was our shopping basket. So I'm walking around with this big produce box, and we're filling it up with her needed items that meet her nutritional requirements and allergic requirements and all of that. I have never read so many labels in my damn life for this person. I nearly killed my phone by using my magnifier and taking photos of these labels. But we made it through. We visited every section of that store. We got her stuff. Right?
I'm just trying to paint a picture of how generous a person I am.
Ramya Amuthan:
Of course. Of course.
Jennie Bovard:
No, I'm just kidding.
Ramya Amuthan:
You're painting.
Jennie Bovard:
But it was quite the trek, quite the day. So we get to the end of our shopping trip and we wind up in the produce section. It's just next to the tills. I'm like, "Ooh, I'm going to go get myself my favorite snack that I like to have after a long day." And that is the tart and juicy deliciousness that is pre-cut pineapple.
Ramya Amuthan:
Oh.
Jennie Bovard:
I love a little package of pre-cut pineapple.
Ramya Amuthan:
Very healthy of you.
Jennie Bovard:
I got my pineapples went and paid for them. I didn't even get to eat those babies right away. We had to go back. We had to walk back to the competition venue. Had to wait for the Uber. Got in the Uber, got back to the hotel. I sit on the couch in the hotel room, which by the way, I didn't think was very clean. So I put a towel down. So picture it-
Ramya Amuthan:
Don't leave your food on that couch. Okay?
Jennie Bovard:
Hell no. Picture it. I am sitting on this dirty hotel couch with a towel on it. I am sweaty. I am just disheveled from the day, and I just cannot wait to break into this pineapple.
Ramya Amuthan:
Oh, no.
Jennie Bovard:
So open it up and I'm looking at it and I'm like, "Hmm, something's different." I bring it really close to my face and I see these aren't cubes.
Ramya Amuthan:
Oh.
Jennie Bovard:
This is not how a pineapple's normally cut up. It's a lot more pale than normal too. What is going on here?
Ramya Amuthan:
Please don't tell me they were vegetables.
Jennie Bovard:
I shrug it off and I hope for the best. It was almost as bad as vegetables.
Ramya Amuthan:
Oh, stop.
Jennie Bovard:
I was fuming, fuming, Ramya, when I discovered it was flipping mango.
Ramya Amuthan:
Oh geez.
Jennie Bovard:
It was mango. If it was a good mango, I might've been like, "Okay, I'm going to eat this mango instead." Oh no. It was like someone took the least ripe, worst part of all-
Ramya Amuthan:
Oh.
Jennie Bovard:
... the mangoes in the store, and put them in this little container.
Ramya Amuthan:
Oh, god.
Jennie Bovard:
They were so hard. I can't even describe. It was like eating plastic. It was so hard. And I took everything in my being not to throw that freaking mango across the room.
Ramya Amuthan:
Did you continue eating it? 'Cause you were so mad.
Jennie Bovard:
No. No.
Ramya Amuthan:
Oh, no.
Jennie Bovard:
Hell no.
Jennie Bovard:
I put it in the fridge and I left it there, and it never saw the light of day again.
Ramya Amuthan:
Oh, geez.
Jennie Bovard:
The hotel staff can deal with that stupid mango. I was so mad. I was so mad.
Ramya Amuthan:
After how generous you were reading labels for everybody.
Jennie Bovard:
I was such a saint, and this was my repayment.
Ramya Amuthan:
Why didn't you read the label for yourself? You were done with the day at that point?
Jennie Bovard:
Well, I picked it up and I looked at it in the grocery store, right? It looked right. It looked right. But you're right. I can't read the labels normally on those pre-packaged things without magnification. So I was like, "This looks right. Let's get it." I'd already almost killed my phone by reading all the labels for my teammate, Saint Jennie over here.
Ramya Amuthan:
Saint Jennie.
Jennie Bovard:
I was so bad.
Ramya Amuthan:
I think the lights at the grocery stores need to stop playing tricks on us.
Jennie Bovard:
And more staff, so I can be like, "Hey, can you show me the mango?"
Ramya Amuthan:
And also, is this good mango or?
Jennie Bovard:
If it's going to be mango, it better be the good mango. And before we wrap up this very fun conversation, is there anything else that you want to share with us?
Ramya Amuthan:
Just that I feel around before I sit anywhere anymore. Whether it be public transit, my own home, somebody else's home, I just don't take risks at all. So you talked about the Korean food. That would be way, way adventurous for me now. I just want to sit there, the plate comes to me, in front of me, on the table, the only appropriate service for food to be ever. And yeah, that's it. That's my concluding statement.
Jennie Bovard:
A couple of public service announcements here today. One, don't leave food where people might sit. Two, if you're blind-
Ramya Amuthan:
If you have-
Jennie Bovard:
... and visually impaired or no matter who you are, maybe look and give a feel.
Ramya Amuthan:
If it's a gray area like an ottoman, just say no. Just-
Jennie Bovard:
just say no.
Ramya Amuthan:
No. No.
Jennie Bovard:
Yeah.
Ramya Amuthan:
Yeah.
Jennie Bovard:
Okay. All good tips. All good tips. And if you want more Ramya, don't forget, all of our content, we will include some links in the show notes. And I can't thank you enough for coming on, Ramya. We need to do more of this thing more often. I mentioned at the top that you're a fabulous voice actor. Why don't you tell the folks where they can go and maybe play a game that features your voice?
Ramya Amuthan:
Oh. Okay. Well, the one thing that I had done for voice acting for video games is called The Veil, which is a free game you can download onto the Windows platform, so Microsoft. And that was fun. I appear there at some point, and it's a really good game as well. So check it out. You can also get it on the PS4 actually, or the PlayStation, I should say, not just 4. And other than that, where am I? I've just done narration all over the place. My voice is the audio describer narration voice of White Tiger on Netflix. That's a good movie. That's my second shout out. I think that's plenty. That's plenty of me, Jennie.
Jennie Bovard:
Oh, I love it. I love it. Thank you so much for listening and watching and subscribing on YouTube and all your favorite podcast platforms. As always, if you've got any feedback or suggestions for the podcast, I would love to hear from you. You can send us an email to podcasts@AMI.ca or give us a call at 1-866-509-4545. Once more, the number is 1-866-509-4545. Just make sure to mention Low Vision Moments in that message, please, and thank you.
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